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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 23:31:28 GMT -5
I think I am going to get the right pully for split this year. Hopefully, I can get rid of the high pitch squeal that is so annoying. You know its loud when the animals in the forest give you the hand.
I am running a single wire alternator would anyone have a suggestion on getting a pully that would fit??
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Post by gmcjr on Mar 17, 2018 4:29:12 GMT -5
According to Lee, a pulley off of a generator will fit. I never did it, so I just take him on his word, Lee ain't never steered me wrong My only concern is that the genny pulley is bigger, which would in turn slow the alternator down compared to engine rpms. When I had a one wire aternator, I had to rev the crap out of the engine to get it to "excite" and start charging even with the little bitty GM pulley. One of the reasons I got rid of it as soon as found a 12v genny. Is this a big deal, I dunno.... Ill be interested in the results of what you find, Split!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 7:56:15 GMT -5
Jeff, I most likely have what you need, I've junked several Jeeps with Delco 10SI alternators, I'll check stock this am!....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 15:54:46 GMT -5
Here is a shot of a GM 10SI with a Auto-Lite pulley fitted!. Now, as the Professor said, "Pulley Diamiter" can be an issue! ...... Here's the deal , it depends if you went Bubba Cheap Ass, or did it correctly, That being how you wired it. Bubba Cheap Ass would be the One Wire option! (1). Correctly would be the As Desighned three wire (3) correct way. Now Bubba claims one wire is all you need and the SOB from MN is full of shit!. 1) One wire scenario!..... Yes it works One wire, but the unit needs to reach around 1200-1500 RPM to "Excite", Excite means turn on and charge!.... Now, you have this condition with the narrow skinny pulley that came with the 10SI, you start old nelly bell up and tap the footfeed to "Excite" the alt. and the belt squeals like, big time!. OR, you installed the 10SI with the OE Auto-Lite pulley that's much larger in dia., now you need to rev the engine to redline to get it to Excite. 2) Three Wire scenario!..... You have wired the unit correctly!, now when you turn on your ignition switch, the 10SI "Excites", in this case pulley diameter is not as fussy, you can easily run the OE Auto-Lite pulley as engine RPM is not a factor on "Exciting" the unit. If you run the small as purchased pulley, in most cases you still get a squeal as there is not enough surface area on the belt to properly turn the Alt. or Fan under load. All that being said, you cannot always run the Auto-Lite pulley as it depends on how you mounted the 10SI, if you build the mount with the combo in place your bracket will have the correct offset, all is good!, if not you will need to move the bracket back. So after checking my pile of used 10SI alt's, I have no big single shiv pulleys to offer other than a stock Auto-Lite...... The Delco Alternator IMO is the class of the field in its simple build and the fact that it's "Cheap"... But it's also way overkill on our beloved Flatfender Jeep, unless your running a kick ass ghetto stereo with the amp, or an electric winch the stock generator be it 6V-12V-24V will never short you on what's required. Lee
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 15:59:17 GMT -5
Jeff, any reputable automotive electric shop will have the correct pulley you need, you may need to shim it out a hair or trim a little off the back to get the pulley centered with the belt (depending on your mount).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 20:18:15 GMT -5
I hate cannibalizing one to fix another, but since I didn't have much to do today, I took an alternator off another project and put it on split all looked ok and install was easy. see the sticker on the bottom of Alternator? I think that means 12 Volt Positive ground after hooking up to battery. See picture 2.
Damn it burnt the crap out of wires to gauge and to the alternator. Two weeks from Moab and I start project I don't have time for. CRAP CRAP CRAP Lee thank you for the information, I will see what I can do to fix. I am the bubba who wired in the first place. the single wire worked and was a fast fix. I don't want an external regulator, there a pain in the @$$. I have remade the wires I burnt and ready to reinstall. The alternator is still issue. I am not following you on how to excite the alternator?? Do I need to replace the single wire or is there a way to wire it differently?? Thanks for your help.
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Post by brucew on Mar 17, 2018 20:43:07 GMT -5
Is this what you need, Jeff? www.speedwaymotors.com/GM-Alternator-5-8-Inch-Wide-Alternator-Belt-Pulley-Plain,1868.html They also have it in chrome for only $20.00 more! They also have a 3/4" version, but I think this is what I put on Dave Luber's jeep. B-dubya Edit: Well, the link won't work for some reason. Go to Speedway Motors and search for "Flathead Ford alternator pulley", that should get you there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 21:15:36 GMT -5
I hate cannibalizing one to fix another, but since I didn't have much to do today, I took an alternator off another project and put it on split all looked ok and install was easy. see the sticker on the bottom of Alternator? I think that means 12 Volt Positive ground after hooking up to battery. See picture 2.
Damn it burnt the crap out of wires to gauge and to the alternator. Two weeks from Moab and I start project I don't have time for. CRAP CRAP CRAP Lee thank you for the information, I will see what I can do to fix. I am the bubba who wired in the first place. the single wire worked and was a fast fix. I don't want an external regulator, there a pain in the @$$. I have remade the wires I burnt and ready to reinstall. The alternator is still issue. I am not following you on how to excite the alternator?? Do I need to replace the single wire or is there a way to wire it differently??e Thanks for your help. Yes, 2 ways to do it!. 1) one wire , run a wire from the terminal on the back to the ammeter, as yours is. As the alternator reaches 1200 rpm it excites itself. 2) 3 wire, on the side of the alternator case, there is a rubber plug, pop that out (if it has a plug). There will be 2 1/4" spade terminals in there and marked 1 and 2, cast into the case, #1 would be the terminal that excites the alt. So that would be ran to the ignition switch, but one must also install a diode in the line so it does not backfeed the ignition when it's turned off (there are other ways to address this). #2 can be hooked directly to the main terminal on the back, as #2 monitors the voltage in the system. Here re is a link, it's better than my description!... If your short on time, I'd run it as a one wire for now, do it right when you have more time, the Professor can most likely recommend a diode as he knows all that secret squirrel electric stuff!, LOL www.hartin.com/alternator.htm
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Post by oilleaker1 on Mar 18, 2018 14:03:44 GMT -5
What words were uttered when the wiring burned up? ?? Starts with a "S" or "F" or "G" Or did it make a new sound that you can describe to us? ( I just copied off the directions------LOL, wonder why) Oilly
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Post by gmcjr on Mar 18, 2018 17:19:35 GMT -5
Diode: These should work, install the stripped end toward alternator.
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Post by oilleaker1 on Mar 18, 2018 18:20:23 GMT -5
Is it possible by hooking up the exciter wire, that it will cause the alternator to go full output all the time?
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Post by gmcjr on Mar 18, 2018 18:56:26 GMT -5
Is it possible by hooking up the exciter wire, that it will cause the alternator to go full output all the time? It shouldn't, if the internal regulator is good. All the exciter circuit should do is magnetize the stator through the two small carbon brushes by the rear bearing as soon as the key is turned on, so the alternator will start to produce a charge as soon as it's turned fast enough to overcome battery voltage. The one-wire version (somehow, I'm not sure how they really work), has to be spun a certain number of rpms wayyyyy beyond regular charging speed to magnetize or "excite" the stator. Once the stator is excited, it will charge until the alternator slows down enough to quit charging all together. For instance, on my 8n Ford, I installed a "one wire" 10si alternator. At initial startup, I had to manually goose the governor linkage past full governed throttle to get the damn thing to charge. (Not what I care to do on a cold engine.)Once goosed, it would charge at idle, until I let the clutch out too fast or did something that lugged the engine down for a split second, then I had to repeat the "governor goose". PIA! It has been since wired for the exciter circuit. Old fashioned generators didn't have this problem because the mass of the pole shoes on the inside of the case held enough residual magnetism to "excite" the armature without any additional help. Generally speaking...Thats why a generator equipped vehicle can be pull started with a completely dead battery as long as it is pulled fast enough to make the generator charge. You can pull a alternator equipped vehicle 80 mph until you run out of gas, it will never start. Dad said he learned that lesson with their company trucks back in the early '70s.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 23:01:01 GMT -5
What words were uttered when the wiring burned up? ?? Starts with a "S" or "F" or "G" Or did it make a new sound that you can describe to us? ( I just copied off the directions------LOL, wonder why) Oilly Yes, to "S" Yes to "F" Yes to "G" If I remember correctly, I even talked about Mother Truckers as I believe how the conversation started @#%#^#$$$$$$$$$$$$$ I wish I had the money I spent on Firecrackers, Beer and Jeeps!! The women were worth it!! How do things that are right on track go to "S" in a handbasket in less than 10 seconds? This morning was a very nice day in Denver. Went out to the barn and put new wires in. I took Lee's advice and left well enough alone until I get back from trip. And this buys me some time to get orders mail to me. Bruce thank you for info on pully, " I ordered" GMCJR, thank you for info on Diodes will order this week. At least Split is up and running and ready for Moab in a couple of weeks, I am out of town next week and my days to work on are limited. Thank you all for your help.
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Post by gmcjr on Mar 19, 2018 0:48:32 GMT -5
Hey Split, if your only fesable option is to buy the 50 pack for 7 dollars. Id keep some spares, but if you don't want the rest, I'll give you a few dollars for them. Hopefully, I'll see you in the Black Hills. Just a FYI, before permanently wiring the diode, check it with your favorite multimeter. When ohming across it, you should see some resistance with the black lead on the end with the strip, but a helleva lot more resistance the other way around. I've learned the hard way about just going on faith.....
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Post by oilleaker1 on Mar 19, 2018 5:00:01 GMT -5
My Kubota Willys has a one wire alternator. It also has a set of two spades that I've been told are not used. I got a feeling one of those spades is for the exciter. I'm sure I'll be back to this very problem with my own set up. I definitely won't be over revving my diesel to get the thing to charge. I have a bunch of diagrams showing all the different ways to wire it. I also plan on installing a light that goes out when it is charging, besides a amp gauge. I'll be running both 12 and 6 volt on my set up. I bought a 20 amp output electronic converter that drops 12 to 6 volt for the gauges and spotlight. The rest will be 12 volt. Turn signals , radio, etc. Negative ground for all. I also bought a fuse block (glass tube type) That separates 12 and 6 volt. Pretty cool unit. If only it was in paint. What a royal pain. The painting is just a huge obstacle to overcome.
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