Post by Scoutpilot on Jan 7, 2020 18:40:11 GMT -5
Crankcase Ventilation System
People often ask about the purpose and necessity of the "positive crankcase ventilation" (PCV) fittings found on the F-head engine. The engine was built with a vent either from the top of the side, connected to the intake manifold which would inhale and burn gases from the crankcase.
The 1956 CJ-3B Parts List shows a vent on the rocker arm cover on top of the cylinder head (#1 in the diagram):
1956 PCV system
Jim Sammons describes the purpose of this system: "Most of the F-heads I've seen vent out the top of the valve cover. A hose runs from the vent to the intake manifold where the crankcase vapors are sucked into the engine and burned. Some kind of crankcase ventilation is necessary or pressure from the pistons going down on the intake or power stroke would eventually blow all the oil out of the engine. If you didn't have any ventilation at all you would know it. Oil would be blowing out of the engine from everywhere it could."
Bart McNeil adds: "As I understand it, the reason for the tube connecting the ventilator to the intake manifold is to use the intake manifold vacuum to create negative pressure in the crankcase to draw unburned gases toward the ventilator and eventually into the intake manifold to be burned. It is an effective pollution control device.
"Since there is a vacuum in the crankcase, the air has to come from somewhere, and rather than suck it in unfiltered, it sucks it from the oil bath air cleaner, through a rubber tube, and into the oil dipstick tube. I guess it is called a closed system in that any air drawn into the engine is filtered and any gasses sucked out are burned.
"Since you have a vacuum in the crankcase then the dust will enter the engine through the hose connection on the oil tube if it is open. When I took my L-134 to a mechanic the first thing he did was install a hose from the oil bath air cleaner system to the oil tube. Leaving off the hose negates some of the effects of the air cleaner, allowing dirt into the crankcase."
Simon B. says: "I can't figure out how to connect up the crankcase ventilation -- mine seems different. I have four holes that need pipes:
1. There is a vent pipe coming out the top of the rocker cover.
2. There is a vent pipe on the intake manifold.
3. There is the vent on the oil filler tube.
4. The pipe on the air cleaner body.
"I have no PCV valve on the exhaust valve cover and I don't see how it would connect to the fuel/vacuum pump even if I did have one. I think that I should connect the oil filler tube to the air cleaner, but then what do I do with the manifold pipe and the pipe from the rocker cover? My jeep is a '64. Had they done away with the PCV valve system by then? I have a '50's scrap motor for spares and it has no breather connection on the rocker cover but does have the PCV valve on the exhaust valve cover. Please help!"
Eric responds: "From what I've seen on what I think are 'unmolested' engines when the rocker arm cover has the PCV port, the side valve cover PCV port is not used. This port is closed with a large fender washer and a bolt, and the bell fitting isn't used. The line that one sees connecting the dipstick tube and the air filter is in place as usual.
"The vacuum port under the carburetor has an L-angle fitting connected and the male threaded end of a PCV valve is connected to this fitting. The other end of the PCV valve has a hose nipple. A hose connects from here to the port atop the rocker arm cover.
"The reprinted manual for the 'newer' Jeeps (mine has a light blue cover and covers the 4F-134 and the 225 V6 engine, but not the 4L-134) shows this arrangement in the tune-up section. You need to make sure that you get a PCV valve that is set up so that the airflow is correct. Jeep valves need the vacuum on the threaded end. "Standard heater hose won't work in the PCV system as it is not resistant to oil and gas fumes. You will need to get some large diameter fuel line for this. I found some suitable hose at a hydraulic line shop."
Combined Vacuum/PCV System
Fig. 115The 1965 edition of the Jeep Universal Service Manual (see "Technical Information Sources" on the CJ-3B Specifications page for reprint information) shows the rocker arm cover without a vent. Instead, it includes this illustration and details a crankcase ventilation system that vents out the side of the engine into the vacuum line leading from the fuel pump to the intake manifold.
See also a 1961 Willys Service Bulletin on installing a PCV system.
Eric Lawson describes this system (also seen below in the Hurricane engine illustration from the 62-17 brochure): "The line going to the fitting in the intake manifold under the carburetor is the vacuum source. This is usually a steel line. You should have a PCV valve on the side of the T that connects to a bell-shaped fitting on the side valve cover of the engine. The remaining side of the T goes to the outlet fitting on the vacuum part of the fuel pump.
"The inlet of the vacuum pump is connected to the vacuum-powered windshield wiper. The vacuum pump augments the engine vacuum when the engine is running at full throttle and high RPMs. This keeps the vacuum wipers running at a reasonable rate." (Note: If the fuel pump has been replaced with a unit without the vacuum connections, the T in the vacuum line may be connected directly to the hose to the wiper motor.
1965 PCV system"An unused inlet port on the vacuum pump should be sealed, especially if the outlet is connected to the T fitting. Leaving the port open will make the engine run lean.
"I have seen many Jeeps without the PCV system, and they run just fine although the oil should be changed more often, especially if you are driving in dusty or wet areas. Often the PCV system was replaced with a draft tube that attaches to the rear bolt that holds the exhaust valve cover in place. This tube extends below the oil pan. As the Jeep is driven forward a vacuum is formed and the airflow that this causes removes the blow-by gasses from the crankcase. I think people did this because they thought that the PCV system reduced the engine's horsepower. There are several things wrong with the draft tube idea -- they don't work well at low speeds, they provide a path for water and dust to get into the crankcase, they leak oil, and finally, the draft tube 'just ain't right'."
Note: Eric provides more details on the vacuum PCV system in Rebuilding an F-head Engine, Page 8: Vacuum Lines on CJ3B.info.
Bill McCarthy adds, "All CJ engines used PCV systems, but Jeep pickups and wagons used draft tubes, and all 2WD models used the road draft tube. If you have a road draft tube on a CJ, the engine was probably from another Jeep model."
Checking PCV Valve Operation
Pete: "My oil dipstick shows some whitish gunk on it. I seem to remember from my past that this means water vapor is collecting in the crankcase, probably from an improperly-working crankcase ventilation system.
PCV valve"I have the oil filler tube and top of the valve cover vented to the air cleaner for filtered intake to the PCV system, and I have a PCV valve connected to the side of the engine at the bell, which in turn is connected at the manifold below the carb (vacuum source).
"Question: How does one check the valve for proper operation seeing as how it's all screwed together. Do you just unscrew it all and screw it back together as much as needed to feel for a vacuum?"
Rus Curtis answered: "First, it's important to ensure all the hoses have a good seal and the oil filler cap has a good seal for suction. I had to add a couple of layers of the gasket to my oil filler cap/dipstick to seal and my gunk disappeared.
PCV valve Chet: "When I tore into my valve this is what I found (left).
"Is it fair to assume...that on a recently rebuilt engine, that is using oil (2 quarts in 500 miles) oil fouling plugs badly, not leaking and only smokes occasionally... that the source could be a PCV valve with 'no guts'?"
Don Norris: "In the Service Manual in the TUNE-UP section, under "Excessive Oil Consumption" one of many possible problems listed is "Crankcase Ventilator Not Operating."
PCV valve
Rus Curtis: "My PCV valve was also empty. I got this replacement used valve from Harry Sheets (Midwest Willys) and I took this picture of the guts. Here's what the internal parts look like.
"Instead of throwing it out like modern valves, you disassemble it, clean it and put it back together. There's a spring and a valve that should be inside. The Service Manual illustration (85K JPEG) shows how the parts fit together."
Another reader added that for later systems, "The little fitting on the side of the oil filler tube is where clean air from the air filter enters the crankcase. Disconnect the line and put your thumb over the fitting. At idle, a tiny bit of suction should be felt. Rev up the engine and the suction should increase."
People often ask about the purpose and necessity of the "positive crankcase ventilation" (PCV) fittings found on the F-head engine. The engine was built with a vent either from the top of the side, connected to the intake manifold which would inhale and burn gases from the crankcase.
The 1956 CJ-3B Parts List shows a vent on the rocker arm cover on top of the cylinder head (#1 in the diagram):
1956 PCV system
Jim Sammons describes the purpose of this system: "Most of the F-heads I've seen vent out the top of the valve cover. A hose runs from the vent to the intake manifold where the crankcase vapors are sucked into the engine and burned. Some kind of crankcase ventilation is necessary or pressure from the pistons going down on the intake or power stroke would eventually blow all the oil out of the engine. If you didn't have any ventilation at all you would know it. Oil would be blowing out of the engine from everywhere it could."
Bart McNeil adds: "As I understand it, the reason for the tube connecting the ventilator to the intake manifold is to use the intake manifold vacuum to create negative pressure in the crankcase to draw unburned gases toward the ventilator and eventually into the intake manifold to be burned. It is an effective pollution control device.
"Since there is a vacuum in the crankcase, the air has to come from somewhere, and rather than suck it in unfiltered, it sucks it from the oil bath air cleaner, through a rubber tube, and into the oil dipstick tube. I guess it is called a closed system in that any air drawn into the engine is filtered and any gasses sucked out are burned.
"Since you have a vacuum in the crankcase then the dust will enter the engine through the hose connection on the oil tube if it is open. When I took my L-134 to a mechanic the first thing he did was install a hose from the oil bath air cleaner system to the oil tube. Leaving off the hose negates some of the effects of the air cleaner, allowing dirt into the crankcase."
Simon B. says: "I can't figure out how to connect up the crankcase ventilation -- mine seems different. I have four holes that need pipes:
1. There is a vent pipe coming out the top of the rocker cover.
2. There is a vent pipe on the intake manifold.
3. There is the vent on the oil filler tube.
4. The pipe on the air cleaner body.
"I have no PCV valve on the exhaust valve cover and I don't see how it would connect to the fuel/vacuum pump even if I did have one. I think that I should connect the oil filler tube to the air cleaner, but then what do I do with the manifold pipe and the pipe from the rocker cover? My jeep is a '64. Had they done away with the PCV valve system by then? I have a '50's scrap motor for spares and it has no breather connection on the rocker cover but does have the PCV valve on the exhaust valve cover. Please help!"
Eric responds: "From what I've seen on what I think are 'unmolested' engines when the rocker arm cover has the PCV port, the side valve cover PCV port is not used. This port is closed with a large fender washer and a bolt, and the bell fitting isn't used. The line that one sees connecting the dipstick tube and the air filter is in place as usual.
"The vacuum port under the carburetor has an L-angle fitting connected and the male threaded end of a PCV valve is connected to this fitting. The other end of the PCV valve has a hose nipple. A hose connects from here to the port atop the rocker arm cover.
"The reprinted manual for the 'newer' Jeeps (mine has a light blue cover and covers the 4F-134 and the 225 V6 engine, but not the 4L-134) shows this arrangement in the tune-up section. You need to make sure that you get a PCV valve that is set up so that the airflow is correct. Jeep valves need the vacuum on the threaded end. "Standard heater hose won't work in the PCV system as it is not resistant to oil and gas fumes. You will need to get some large diameter fuel line for this. I found some suitable hose at a hydraulic line shop."
Combined Vacuum/PCV System
Fig. 115The 1965 edition of the Jeep Universal Service Manual (see "Technical Information Sources" on the CJ-3B Specifications page for reprint information) shows the rocker arm cover without a vent. Instead, it includes this illustration and details a crankcase ventilation system that vents out the side of the engine into the vacuum line leading from the fuel pump to the intake manifold.
See also a 1961 Willys Service Bulletin on installing a PCV system.
Eric Lawson describes this system (also seen below in the Hurricane engine illustration from the 62-17 brochure): "The line going to the fitting in the intake manifold under the carburetor is the vacuum source. This is usually a steel line. You should have a PCV valve on the side of the T that connects to a bell-shaped fitting on the side valve cover of the engine. The remaining side of the T goes to the outlet fitting on the vacuum part of the fuel pump.
"The inlet of the vacuum pump is connected to the vacuum-powered windshield wiper. The vacuum pump augments the engine vacuum when the engine is running at full throttle and high RPMs. This keeps the vacuum wipers running at a reasonable rate." (Note: If the fuel pump has been replaced with a unit without the vacuum connections, the T in the vacuum line may be connected directly to the hose to the wiper motor.
1965 PCV system"An unused inlet port on the vacuum pump should be sealed, especially if the outlet is connected to the T fitting. Leaving the port open will make the engine run lean.
"I have seen many Jeeps without the PCV system, and they run just fine although the oil should be changed more often, especially if you are driving in dusty or wet areas. Often the PCV system was replaced with a draft tube that attaches to the rear bolt that holds the exhaust valve cover in place. This tube extends below the oil pan. As the Jeep is driven forward a vacuum is formed and the airflow that this causes removes the blow-by gasses from the crankcase. I think people did this because they thought that the PCV system reduced the engine's horsepower. There are several things wrong with the draft tube idea -- they don't work well at low speeds, they provide a path for water and dust to get into the crankcase, they leak oil, and finally, the draft tube 'just ain't right'."
Note: Eric provides more details on the vacuum PCV system in Rebuilding an F-head Engine, Page 8: Vacuum Lines on CJ3B.info.
Bill McCarthy adds, "All CJ engines used PCV systems, but Jeep pickups and wagons used draft tubes, and all 2WD models used the road draft tube. If you have a road draft tube on a CJ, the engine was probably from another Jeep model."
Checking PCV Valve Operation
Pete: "My oil dipstick shows some whitish gunk on it. I seem to remember from my past that this means water vapor is collecting in the crankcase, probably from an improperly-working crankcase ventilation system.
PCV valve"I have the oil filler tube and top of the valve cover vented to the air cleaner for filtered intake to the PCV system, and I have a PCV valve connected to the side of the engine at the bell, which in turn is connected at the manifold below the carb (vacuum source).
"Question: How does one check the valve for proper operation seeing as how it's all screwed together. Do you just unscrew it all and screw it back together as much as needed to feel for a vacuum?"
Rus Curtis answered: "First, it's important to ensure all the hoses have a good seal and the oil filler cap has a good seal for suction. I had to add a couple of layers of the gasket to my oil filler cap/dipstick to seal and my gunk disappeared.
PCV valve Chet: "When I tore into my valve this is what I found (left).
"Is it fair to assume...that on a recently rebuilt engine, that is using oil (2 quarts in 500 miles) oil fouling plugs badly, not leaking and only smokes occasionally... that the source could be a PCV valve with 'no guts'?"
Don Norris: "In the Service Manual in the TUNE-UP section, under "Excessive Oil Consumption" one of many possible problems listed is "Crankcase Ventilator Not Operating."
PCV valve
Rus Curtis: "My PCV valve was also empty. I got this replacement used valve from Harry Sheets (Midwest Willys) and I took this picture of the guts. Here's what the internal parts look like.
"Instead of throwing it out like modern valves, you disassemble it, clean it and put it back together. There's a spring and a valve that should be inside. The Service Manual illustration (85K JPEG) shows how the parts fit together."
Another reader added that for later systems, "The little fitting on the side of the oil filler tube is where clean air from the air filter enters the crankcase. Disconnect the line and put your thumb over the fitting. At idle, a tiny bit of suction should be felt. Rev up the engine and the suction should increase."