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Post by towhook on Apr 3, 2020 12:53:03 GMT -5
OK, now I see that the brake cleaner and air trick was pulled on the spare engine. Let’s try to concentrate on one at a time, and not confuse the issue. It’s bad enough having several people with the same problem to keep track of, without one of them having two engines with a similar problem. B-dubya yes it was, one of those blocks is letting to oil were it should be, the other is not. to bad i'm sure which is right
i'm goin to pull the check ball on the pump, and report back. and run the pump with the filter top off and see what happens.
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Post by towhook on Apr 3, 2020 13:15:29 GMT -5
I pulled the bolt/cap off the oil pump the spring came out, the plunger didn't wanta come out ( did use a magnet ). did find some vasiline in one of the little holes
got the metal plunger out, had a ton of vasiline behind it ! so would that cause no or low oil psi ?
ran the drill for a min, I have oil coming up to the filter. not much but some guess my gauge is bad ?
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Post by oilleaker1 on Apr 3, 2020 13:29:07 GMT -5
So, the relief valve is clean and seated?. The oil pump when primed, system side gallery primed, will pump the system full. When it reaches full, that's when you begin to see oil pressure. If you remove the line up by the oil filter, and spin the engine over again it should leak quite a bit of oil while cranking. You'll know if it's working.
If your new oil pressure gauge reads air pressure when air is applied, it will also read oil pressure. Oilly
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Post by towhook on Apr 3, 2020 13:38:51 GMT -5
So, the relief valve is clean and seated?. The oil pump when primed, system side gallery primed, will pump the system full. When it reaches full, that's when you begin to see oil pressure. If you remove the line up by the oil filter, and spin the engine over again it should leak quite a bit of oil while cranking. You'll know if it's working. If your new oil pressure gauge reads air pressure when air is applied, it will also read oil pressure. Oilly the relief valve is now cleaned of any junk. yep I have oil coming into the filter from the front oil line, I have the spare pump on with out the gear, so i'll need to swap oil pumps to it with the engine spinning
i'll fire up the shop air, and check the gauge
I feel like progress !!!
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Post by towhook on Apr 7, 2020 13:37:00 GMT -5
i'm a turd, the oil psi gauge was stuck. I was running out off options, so I put shop air in the gauge hose, and it took a few trys then put in over 50 psi before it came off the peg. why didn't I check that sooner !!! after that I spun the drill in the pump and it made almost 20 psi. at first I didn't have the top on the oil filter, and it tricked out, then bag... I had a mess. I've done that 4 times now over the weekend. so i'm happy with my test run. still have got oil pump gaskets, Kaiser willys won't have them for at least 6-8 weeks, if any one has a set let me know :)I got the side cover on, throttle linkage on, fuel pump gasket scraped off the block, ready to put the fuel pump back on. then pull the oil pump clean it up and wait for gaskets. i'll try walcks tues and see what he's got. i'm not trusting the 20$ psi gauge that I got at the store. I saw this one on summit www.summitracing.com/parts/sww-82322 any thoughts ? final thoughts, i'm mad that I didn't check this gauge sooner, and would saved my self a ton of time, say 3 months !
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Post by Scoutpilot on Apr 7, 2020 14:19:23 GMT -5
An expensive lesson to be sure. But I know you won't repeat it with other issues. Diagnose before opening the wallet. I am very proud that you did solve the problem.
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Post by brucew on Apr 7, 2020 15:59:35 GMT -5
Stewart-Warner. Can’t hardly go wrong. I’ll go pull down a box of leftover gaskets and see what Ive got. B-dubya
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Post by oilleaker1 on Apr 7, 2020 17:05:26 GMT -5
If Bruce doesn't I probably have a oil pump gasket too, so don't buy one. You are going to win this. You know it now. . We actually like to figure this stuff out too you know. Once you have it, we'll want the next problem presented. Go ahead make our day. OILLY
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Post by towhook on Apr 8, 2020 13:39:01 GMT -5
An expensive lesson to be sure. But I know you won't repeat it with other issues. Diagnose before opening the wallet. I am very proud that you did solve the problem. thanks, still not happy with my self. went threw a lot of crap, and stress. over a cheap gauge
glad I had help, thanks for all who chimed in . now I have a 6 page thread on a cheap/ stuck psi gauge
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Post by towhook on Apr 8, 2020 13:40:44 GMT -5
Stewart-Warner. Can’t hardly go wrong. I’ll go pull down a box of leftover gaskets and see what Ive got. B-dubya thanks, let me know what ya got. send me a p/m and I can send you a thanks. were do you like to eat @ ?
b.w.
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Post by towhook on Apr 8, 2020 13:47:59 GMT -5
If Bruce doesn't I probably have a oil pump gasket too, so don't buy one. You are going to win this. You know it now. . We actually like to figure this stuff out too you know. Once you have it, we'll want the next problem presented. Go ahead make our day. OILLY thanks, I got double ck for the 5% before tdc, once I get the pump gaskets. and get the pump in the right way ! then put in the dist. put in my plugs, and double check the gap. put on wires, and 2 spark checkers. pray, breath deep ,and hit the key. and add gas too that would help. two table spoons in the carb.
I have yet to put in the steering box, and the down pipe ( exhaust ) so I have room to final install oil pump. i'll start the brakes again thurs. I got a dual master from herm. so I have some custom lines to make, and some bleeding to do. I should got the adjusting rod in the kit, we ll see how mine works.
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Post by brucew on Apr 8, 2020 19:30:53 GMT -5
How many do ya need? There seems to be about three different styles, I don’t know why, any of them should work, I could send you one of each. Do you need a pump cover gasket? Some (all?) of the originals had a flat cover, some replacements have the pressure relief valve in the cover. I have a couple of gaskets for the flat cover if you need one. I also have fuel pump gaskets if you need one. Give me your mailing address and I’ll get some on the way. B-dubya
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Post by towhook on Apr 9, 2020 12:22:07 GMT -5
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Post by towhook on Apr 14, 2020 9:52:10 GMT -5
thanks for bruce for the gaskets my manual said super 300/ or form a gasket to be used on the gaskets in the oil pump. any thoughts ? I want to make sure that I do this rite. I know it was said earlier in the thread that the liquid gasket maker was a bad idea. thanks for all the help
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Post by towhook on Apr 14, 2020 9:56:22 GMT -5
You need a gasket. No, you NEED a gasket. Some places, the modern stuff just doesn’t work. I especially can see trouble coming with trying to apply tube-gasket to an oily pump that just came out of a bucket of oil. Gaskets-in-a-tube work best on clean dry surfaces that are specially prep at mfg for that. I can send you some gaskets. B-dubya What - wait. I just remembered something. A friend had a similar problem. Had the pump off several times. Used up some of my extra gaskets. Put #2 Permatex on the gasket every time. I finally took the pump apart and found a chunk of gasket sealer holding the relief valve open. You need a gasket, and it needs to be dry, or sprayed with Copper-Coat or Red-Tack. B-dubya got it, I have copper coat the head gasket stuff. let me double check on the red tack
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